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Re: CIO Digest - 20 Feb 2004 to 22 Feb 2004 (#2004-37)

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Regarding fiber to the desktop- I recommend using an open tray cable
management system to facilitate pulling fiber or other cable at a later
date.  Pulling some fiber to obvious high bandwidth locations is
worthwhile.  This is what we did in our new academic building.  Also,
choose your cat6 cable installer and termination technicians carefully,
and have independent tests done early.  We ran into trouble with cable
bundles being tie-wrapped so tight they didn't pass spec.  fb

Frank Bartels
Director of Enterprise Systems
Division of Information Technology
Hobart and William Smith Colleges
(v) 315.781.3394 (f) 315.781.3409
 
- QUOTE OF THE DAY -
''Patience is the companion of wisdom.'' - St. Augustine


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Subject: CIO Digest - 20 Feb 2004 to 22 Feb 2004 (#2004-37)

There are 2 messages totalling 376 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. new wiring, CAT 6 or fiber?
  2. RIAA Lawsuits at Member Schools

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Date:    Sun, 22 Feb 2004 18:58:57 -0500
From:    "Robert M. Kuhn" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: new wiring, CAT 6 or fiber?

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Interesting approach, Ron.  I've just run into too many woes when
unterminated cable, especially fiber, pulled for later use, proves to be
flawed.  I would recommend terminating everything you pull.

Bob

Ron Parker wrote:

>My first question would be how easy it will be to get fiber network
cards
>for your workstations? For example, I've never seen a fiber NIC
integrated
>on any Dell motherboard. I'm also unaware of any fiber attached VOIP
>phones. I would think that you would have a hard (expensive) time
finding
>network switches with dense fiber port configurations. Given that Cat6
can
>handle gigabit, is easy to work with, well known by installers, etc., I
>don't see any reason to go to the trouble of fiber to the desktop. Very
>few of our users even use half of the 100 Mbps they have over copper to
>their desktop now so bandwidth isn't yet an issue. However, given that
>uncompressed HDTV is something like 1.5 Gbps, the day may come.
>
>If you have the money, it is probably cheaper in the long run to pull a
>structured cable that has Cat6 copper and fiber at the same time. You
have
>a lot of labor costs in pulling cable and doing terminations. Pulling
the
>fiber at the same time means you don't pay for that labor twice so your
>only extra cost is the materials. You can then terminate the copper for
>now and terminate the fiber when you need it. I actually did this at my
>house when I remodeled. I paid a few dollars extra for a structured
cable
>that had several cable types, including fiber, and only terminated what
I
>need now. I can then use the fiber as more advanced video and data
>solutions become available.
>
>--
>Ron Parker, Director of Information Technology, Brazosport College
>Voice: (979) 230-3480             FAX: (979) 230-3111
>http://www.brazosport.edu
>
>
>On Fri, 20 Feb 2004, John Isenhour wrote:
>
>
>
>>We have several buildings coming online and I would like to move from
>>from CAT 5e to CAT 6.   After investigating, I am wondering if we
>>should
>>just go with fiber to the desktop and be that much ahead of the game.
>>It does not seem that much more expensive.   I was wondering what the
>>trends are and about any pros/cons of just going straight to fiber?
>>
>>PS, I also got a site license for Norton AV for our students for
>>greatly
>>reduced cost (I went to Symantec and had them push the deal to our
>>VAR).  I know from a previous position if you get a state wide multi
>>university deal it gets really cheap.
>>
>>thanks,
>>john
>>
>>
>>
>>John L. Isenhour, Ph.D.
>>Director of Information Technology Services
>>Kennesaw State University
>>Phone: 770-423-6620  Fax: 770-423-6706
>>
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Interesting approach, Ron.&nbsp; I've just run into too many woes when
unterminated cable, especially fiber, pulled for later use, proves to
be flawed.&nbsp; I would recommend terminating everything you pull.<br>
<br>
Bob<br>
<br>
Ron Parker wrote:<br>
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  <pre wrap="">My first question would be how easy it will be to get
fiber network cards
for your workstations? For example, I've never seen a fiber NIC
integrated
on any Dell motherboard. I'm also unaware of any fiber attached VOIP
phones. I would think that you would have a hard (expensive) time
finding
network switches with dense fiber port configurations. Given that Cat6
can
handle gigabit, is easy to work with, well known by installers, etc., I
don't see any reason to go to the trouble of fiber to the desktop. Very
few of our users even use half of the 100 Mbps they have over copper to
their desktop now so bandwidth isn't yet an issue. However, given that
uncompressed HDTV is something like 1.5 Gbps, the day may come.

If you have the money, it is probably cheaper in the long run to pull a
structured cable that has Cat6 copper and fiber at the same time. You
have
a lot of labor costs in pulling cable and doing terminations. Pulling
the
fiber at the same time means you don't pay for that labor twice so your
only extra cost is the materials. You can then terminate the copper for
now and terminate the fiber when you need it. I actually did this at my
house when I remodeled. I paid a few dollars extra for a structured
cable
that had several cable types, including fiber, and only terminated what
I
need now. I can then use the fiber as more advanced video and data
solutions become available.

--
Ron Parker, Director of Information Technology, Brazosport College
Voice: (979) 230-3480             FAX: (979) 230-3111
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://www.brazosport.edu">http://www.brazosport.edu</a>


On Fri, 20 Feb 2004, John Isenhour wrote:

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    <pre wrap="">We have several buildings coming online and I would
like to move from
from CAT 5e to CAT 6.   After investigating, I am wondering if we
should
just go with fiber to the desktop and be that much ahead of the game.
It does not seem that much more expensive.   I was wondering what the
trends are and about any pros/cons of just going straight to fiber?

PS, I also got a site license for Norton AV for our students for
greatly
reduced cost (I went to Symantec and had them push the deal to our
VAR).  I know from a previous position if you get a state wide multi
university deal it gets really cheap.

thanks,
john



John L. Isenhour, Ph.D.
Director of Information Technology Services
Kennesaw State University
Phone: 770-423-6620  Fax: 770-423-6706

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Robert M. Kuhn, Ph.D.
Executive Director of Technology
Simmons College
300 The Fenway
Boston, MA 02115-5898

T: 617.521.2186
F: 617.521.3098

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Date:    Sun, 22 Feb 2004 22:03:13 -0500
From:    Margaret Cline <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: RIAA Lawsuits at Member Schools

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Eastern Michigan University continues to receive complaints from RIAA
but to date, we have received no subpoenas.

White, Charles wrote:

> We have, today, received the second request (subpoena) from the RIAA
> for the name of one of our students alleged to have illegally
> downloaded music.  Being a school of 2,400 students I am surprised
> that we have now received two of these in a span of 6 months.  I would
> appreciate learning from you how many of these subpoenas have been
> served on your school seeking the name of a member of your community
> of networked users.
>
> The rhetoric from the RIAA is that they are only seeking "massive"
> down loaders who are file sharing and that have been previously
> warned.  That would not describe either of the cases at Trinity and
> neither of them had any prior notice of any allegation about
> downloading. I suspect all of us will be interested in your responses
> and will appreciate hearing from you.
>
> Thank you.
>
>
>
> Charles B. White, Ph.D.
>
> Vice President
>
> Information Resources and Administrative Affairs
>
> Trinity University
>
> One Trinity Place
>
> San Antonio, TX 78212
>
>
>
> Office Telephone:  210-999-7345
>
> Fax: 210-999-8845
>
>  www.trinity.edu
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Eastern Michigan University continues to receive complaints from RIAA
but to date, we have received no subpoenas.<br>
<br>
White, Charles wrote:<br>
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  <p align="left"><span lang="en-us"><font face="Arial" size="2">We
have, today, received</font></span><span lang="en-us"></span><span
 lang="en-us"> <font face="Arial" size="2">the</font></span><span
 lang="en-us"></span><span lang="en-us"><font face="Arial" size="2">
second request (</font></span><span lang="en-us"></span><span
 lang="en-us"><font face="Arial" size="2">subpoena</font></span><span
 lang="en-us"></span><span lang="en-us"><font face="Arial" size="2">)
from the RIAA for the name of one of our students alleged to
have</font></span><span
 lang="en-us"></span><span lang="en-us"> <font face="Arial"
size="2">illegally</font></span><span
 lang="en-us"></span><span lang="en-us"><font face="Arial" size="2">
downloaded music.&nbsp; Being a school of 2,400 students I
am</font></span><span
 lang="en-us"></span><span lang="en-us"> <font face="Arial"
size="2">surprised</font></span><span
 lang="en-us"></span><span lang="en-us"></span><span
lang="en-us"></span><span
 lang="en-us"> <font face="Arial" size="2">that we have now received
two of these in a span of 6 months.&nbsp; I would appreciate learning
from
you how many of these</font></span><span lang="en-us"></span><span
 lang="en-us"> <font face="Arial" size="2">subpoenas</font></span><span
 lang="en-us"></span><span lang="en-us"></span><span
lang="en-us"></span><span
 lang="en-us"> <font face="Arial" size="2">have been served on your
school seeking the name of a member of your community of networked
users.</font></span></p>
  <p align="left"><span lang="en-us"><font face="Arial"
size="2">The</font></span><span
 lang="en-us"></span><span lang="en-us"> <font face="Arial"
size="2">rhetoric</font></span><span
 lang="en-us"></span><span lang="en-us"><font face="Arial" size="2">
from the RIAA is that they are only seeking</font></span><span
 lang="en-us"></span><span lang="en-us"> <font face="Arial"
size="2">&#8220;</font></span><span
 lang="en-us"></span><span lang="en-us"><font face="Arial"
size="2">massive</font></span><span
 lang="en-us"></span><span lang="en-us"><font face="Arial"
size="2">&#8221;</font></span><span
 lang="en-us"></span><span lang="en-us"><font face="Arial" size="2">
down loaders who are file sharing</font></span><span
lang="en-us"></span><span
 lang="en-us"><font face="Arial" size="2"> and that have been
previously warned</font></span><span lang="en-us"></span><span
 lang="en-us"><font face="Arial" size="2">.&nbsp; T</font></span><span
 lang="en-us"></span><span lang="en-us"><font face="Arial"
size="2">hat</font></span><span
 lang="en-us"></span><span lang="en-us"><font face="Arial" size="2">
would not describe either of the cases at Trinity</font></span><span
 lang="en-us"></span><span lang="en-us"><font face="Arial" size="2">
and neither of them had any prior notice of</font></span><span
 lang="en-us"></span><span lang="en-us"> <font face="Arial" size="2">any
allegation about downloading</font></span><span
lang="en-us"></span><span
 lang="en-us"><font face="Arial" size="2">. I suspect all of us will be
interested in your responses and</font></span><span
lang="en-us"></span><span
 lang="en-us"> <font face="Arial" size="2">will appreciate hearing
from you.</font></span><span lang="en-us"></span><span
lang="en-us"></span></p>
  <p align="left"><span lang="en-us"></span><a name=""><span
 lang="en-us"><font face="Arial" size="2">Thank
you.</font></span></a><span
 lang="en-us"></span><span lang="en-us"></span></p>
  <p align="left"><span lang="en-us"><font
face="Arial">&nbsp;</font></span></p>
  <p align="left"><span lang="en-us"><font face="Arial">Charles B.
White, Ph.D.</font></span></p>
  <p align="left"><span lang="en-us"><font face="Arial">Vice
President</font></span></p>
  <p align="left"><span lang="en-us"><font face="Arial">Information
Resources and Administrative Affairs</font></span></p>
  <p align="left"><span lang="en-us"><font face="Arial">Trinity
University</font></span></p>
  <p align="left"><span lang="en-us"><font face="Arial">One Trinity
Place</font></span></p>
  <p align="left"><span lang="en-us"><font face="Arial">San Antonio, TX
78212</font></span></p>
  <p align="left"><span lang="en-us"><font
face="Arial">&nbsp;</font></span></p>
  <p align="left"><span lang="en-us"><font face="Arial">Office
Telephone:&nbsp; 210-999-7345</font></span></p>
  <p align="left"><span lang="en-us"><font face="Arial">Fax:
210-999-8845</font></span></p>
  <p align="left"><span lang="en-us"><font
face="Arial">&nbsp;</font></span><span
 lang="en-us"></span><span lang="en-us"></span><span lang="en-us"><font
 face="Arial" size="2"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="http://www.trinity.edu">www.trinity.edu</a></font></span><span
lang="en-us"></span><span
 lang="en-us"></span></p>
  <p align="left"><span lang="en-us"></span></p>
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