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Re: Apple's Boot Camp and Microsoft Licensing

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Michael Haan <[log in to unmask]>

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The EDUCAUSE Software Licensing Issues Constituent Group Listserv <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:08:34 -0400

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Good morning all,



Thank you for the discussion. Marg, I agree and believe it may be more than our humble opinions. I also believe, however, the argument will end with whether installing Windows on a Mac is an "upgrade" or the addition of a "full license" (since it is a dual-boot and not a system replacement/upgrade). The Campus 3.4 Subscription Enrollment form (page 7, section 7) states:



"All operating system licenses provided under this program are upgrade Licenses. No full operating system licenses are available under this program. In order to run any version of a Microsoft Windows operating system you or your users must have a valid license for a Microsoft Windows operating system on each PC on which the software is run. You or your users are eligible to run an upgrade version of a Windows operating system if you or your users have a valid license for a Macintosh operating system."



I have contacted my reseller and (after review) they stated that they thought it was within the purview of the agreement. However, I caution that if it is found that it is not allowed then it means even more work to get back into compliance so I am waiting to hear back from my Microsoft rep. I am sure Redmond won't stay silent for too long. Your thoughts?



Here are my notes and some supporting links:



Apple Boot Camp

http://www.apple.com/macosx/bootcamp/ 

Web page, 2nd paragraph

"Boot Camp lets you install Windows XP without moving your Mac data, though you will need to bring your own copy to the table, as Apple Computer does not sell or support Microsoft Windows."



Campus Agreement Program Guide

http://download.microsoft.com/download/9/5/e/95eae8a2-13fe-4a93-a5cd-87eced34f247/CA3ProgramGuide.doc 

Page 4, "Subscription Licensing"

"With subscription licensing programs, you have the right to run a selection of products, and any upgrades or downgrades of those products, for a designated term. For application, system, and Client Access License (CAL) products, even if the number of computers or users grows, you remain fully-licensed throughout the designated term, and you only need to report increases on your FTE employees on your annual order." A couple of sentences later (under benefits) it lists "* Easy compliance - Because all of your institution's computers and users are covered throughout the subscription term, it's easy to be sure that your institution is fully-licensed for the products you've selected."



Campus 3.4 Subscription Enrollment Form

No immediate URL available

Page 7, Item 7 "Qualifying systems licenses"

"All operating system licenses provided under this program are upgrade Licenses. No full operating system licenses are available under this program. In order to run any version of a Microsoft Windows operating system you or your users must have a valid license for a Microsoft Windows operating system on each PC on which the software is run. You or your users are eligible to run an upgrade version of a Windows operating system if you or your users have a valid license for a Macintosh operating system."



Sorry for the lengthy post...



Respectfully submitted,



Michael Haan

Technology Integration Specialist

 - Purchasing Coordinator

 - License Administrator

 - Asset Management

Calvin College - Information Technology



>>> [log in to unmask] 4/12/2006 10:02:52 AM >>>

David,



The following is MY interpretation (and without consultation with MS)

I'd make a run at patterning it after Virtual PC/Campus Agreement usage.

If you are under Campus Agreement (Windows upgrades) for your computers

AND you have Mac OSX on the Apple... then you should (IMHO) be able to

bring up Windows using the upgrade portion of your Campus Agreement. If

you did not have Mac OSX licensed on the computer (if that is even

possible), then you would need to acquire a new license of Windows.



Regards, Marg

____________________________________________



Margaret H. Knox       [log in to unmask]                        

Director                      (512) 475-9224     

The University of Texas 

ITS- Collaboration & Academic Resources

OTIS - System wide Strategies

FAC 248 I (at Austin)78712

CTJ 2.220 (System Admin.)78701 



-----Original Message-----

From: David Greenfield [mailto:[log in to unmask]] 

Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 11:12 PM

To: [log in to unmask] 

Subject: [LICENSING] Apple's Boot Camp and Microsoft Licensing



Now that Apple has released Boot Camp allowing a Windows install on a 

Mac (although with many support caveats) several on our campus have 

gotten excited about this software.  They are seeing good performance 

and compatibility.  Great.  Except now we come to the licensing.  We 

have dealt with this in a limited role with the various iterations of 

Virtual PC, but for us, this is now taking things mainstream.



I have asked my MS account exec if there is any official guidance on 

this, and he indicated that something was indeed in the works.  But 

in the meantime, is it everyone's understanding that we need a 'new 

install' of Windows (from MS Select or shrink-wrapped full versions) 

and MCA licenses do not cover such a 'new install'.  Does anyone have 

language you have used to communicate this to your campus?



==

David Greenfield, Dir of Student Technology           [log in to unmask] 

Illinois State University, Bone Stud Center Rm 206        309/438-8334

Normal, IL  61790-6360                                fax 309/438-8413





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