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Re: Apple's Boot Camp and Microsoft Licensing

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Marg Knox <[log in to unmask]>

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The EDUCAUSE Software Licensing Issues Constituent Group Listserv <[log in to unmask]>

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Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:15:15 -0500

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Mike, thanks for pulling up the language that got us to the decision on Virtual PC for Mac... It really feels the same to me, just being done at a different level:-)

I have also talked to some resellers this morning and at least one major one concurs it should be handled ala Virtual PC for Mac. (so Campus Agreement etc would cover it and I liked the idea I saw come by this morning that MS may offer a half priced upgrade for those without an encompassing agreement). And HOPEFULLY it will go into Edu Select/Open. Heck, I need the full license one to be in Edu Select/Open since we occasionally have someone build a box or acquire a white/grey box, etc.

Final word though is obviously Microsoft, as we all know. They are probably wishing they had gotten early word from Apple so they could have gotten ahead of this train!



Now I need to go look at System Builder Agreement :-) as I have not heard of it...

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Margaret H. Knox       [log in to unmask]                        
Director                      (512) 475-9224     
The University of Texas 
ITS- Collaboration & Academic Resources
OTIS - System wide Strategies
FAC 248 I (at Austin)78712
CTJ 2.220 (System Admin.)78701 

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Stark [mailto:[log in to unmask]] 
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 11:27 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [LICENSING] Apple's Boot Camp and Microsoft Licensing

And good morning to you all too!

IMHO, the upgrade still applies. Microsoft I am 
sure will chime in with some clarity. The most 
recent list of operating systems that qualify for 
a volume license upgrade to windows XP are:

Windows XP Professional Upgrade
 Customers who wish to acquire the Windows XP 
Professional Upgrade must have a qualifying 
operating system licensed for their personal 
computer or workstation.  The qualifying 
operating systems are as follows:
... Windows 2000 Professional
... Windows XP Home Edition
... Windows NT Workstation 4.0 or 3.51
... Windows 98, Windows 95 and Windows Millennium Edition
... Windows 3.x, Windows for Workgroups 3.x
... DOS
... OS/2
... Macintosh
... UNIX: SCO (Xenix, UnixWare), Sun 
(Solaris/SPARC, SunOS), Hewlett-Packard (HP-UX), 
IBM (AIX), Digital (Ultrix, OSF/1, Digital UNIX), 
SGI (IRIX), or IBM 4680/90]

As this is the same box/piece of hardware I 
believe the upgrade from macintosh applies.

If not the ujpgrade, we will be selling more 
system builder OEM windows licenses. Either way 
my campus is covered with a Campus, Select, and 
System builder agreement. I hope that a 
clarification from Microsoft arrive soon.

Cheers!

Mike

>Good morning all,
>
>Thank you for the discussion. Marg, I agree and 
>believe it may be more than our humble opinions. 
>I also believe, however, the argument will end 
>with whether installing Windows on a Mac is an 
>"upgrade" or the addition of a "full license" 
>(since it is a dual-boot and not a system 
>replacement/upgrade). The Campus 3.4 
>Subscription Enrollment form (page 7, section 7) 
>states:
>
>"All operating system licenses provided under 
>this program are upgrade Licenses. No full 
>operating system licenses are available under 
>this program. In order to run any version of a 
>Microsoft Windows operating system you or your 
>users must have a valid license for a Microsoft 
>Windows operating system on each PC on which the 
>software is run. You or your users are eligible 
>to run an upgrade version of a Windows operating 
>system if you or your users have a valid license 
>for a Macintosh operating system."
>
>I have contacted my reseller and (after review) 
>they stated that they thought it was within the 
>purview of the agreement. However, I caution 
>that if it is found that it is not allowed then 
>it means even more work to get back into 
>compliance so I am waiting to hear back from my 
>Microsoft rep. I am sure Redmond won't stay 
>silent for too long. Your thoughts?
>
>Here are my notes and some supporting links:
>
>Apple Boot Camp
>http://www.apple.com/macosx/bootcamp/
>Web page, 2nd paragraph
>"Boot Camp lets you install Windows XP without 
>moving your Mac data, though you will need to 
>bring your own copy to the table, as Apple 
>Computer does not sell or support Microsoft 
>Windows."
>
>Campus Agreement Program Guide
>http://download.microsoft.com/download/9/5/e/95eae8a2-13fe-4a93-a5cd-87eced34f247/CA3ProgramGuide.doc
>Page 4, "Subscription Licensing"
>"With subscription licensing programs, you have 
>the right to run a selection of products, and 
>any upgrades or downgrades of those products, 
>for a designated term. For application, system, 
>and Client Access License (CAL) products, even 
>if the number of computers or users grows, you 
>remain fully-licensed throughout the designated 
>term, and you only need to report increases on 
>your FTE employees on your annual order." A 
>couple of sentences later (under benefits) it 
>lists "* Easy compliance - Because all of your 
>institution's computers and users are covered 
>throughout the subscription term, it's easy to 
>be sure that your institution is fully-licensed 
>for the products you've selected."
>
>Campus 3.4 Subscription Enrollment Form
>No immediate URL available
>Page 7, Item 7 "Qualifying systems licenses"
>"All operating system licenses provided under 
>this program are upgrade Licenses. No full 
>operating system licenses are available under 
>this program. In order to run any version of a 
>Microsoft Windows operating system you or your 
>users must have a valid license for a Microsoft 
>Windows operating system on each PC on which the 
>software is run. You or your users are eligible 
>to run an upgrade version of a Windows operating 
>system if you or your users have a valid license 
>for a Macintosh operating system."
>
>Sorry for the lengthy post...
>
>Respectfully submitted,
>
>Michael Haan
>Technology Integration Specialist
>  - Purchasing Coordinator
>  - License Administrator
>  - Asset Management
>Calvin College - Information Technology
>
>>>>  [log in to unmask] 4/12/2006 10:02:52 AM >>>
>David,
>
>The following is MY interpretation (and without consultation with MS)
>I'd make a run at patterning it after Virtual PC/Campus Agreement usage.
>If you are under Campus Agreement (Windows upgrades) for your computers
>AND you have Mac OSX on the Apple... then you should (IMHO) be able to
>bring up Windows using the upgrade portion of your Campus Agreement. If
>you did not have Mac OSX licensed on the computer (if that is even
>possible), then you would need to acquire a new license of Windows.
>
>Regards, Marg
>____________________________________________
>
>Margaret H. Knox       [log in to unmask]                       
>Director                      (512) 475-9224    
>The University of Texas
>ITS- Collaboration & Academic Resources
>OTIS - System wide Strategies
>FAC 248 I (at Austin)78712
>CTJ 2.220 (System Admin.)78701
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: David Greenfield [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
>Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 11:12 PM
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: [LICENSING] Apple's Boot Camp and Microsoft Licensing
>
>Now that Apple has released Boot Camp allowing a Windows install on a
>Mac (although with many support caveats) several on our campus have
>gotten excited about this software.  They are seeing good performance
>and compatibility.  Great.  Except now we come to the licensing.  We
>have dealt with this in a limited role with the various iterations of
>Virtual PC, but for us, this is now taking things mainstream.
>
>I have asked my MS account exec if there is any official guidance on
>this, and he indicated that something was indeed in the works.  But
>in the meantime, is it everyone's understanding that we need a 'new
>install' of Windows (from MS Select or shrink-wrapped full versions)
>and MCA licenses do not cover such a 'new install'.  Does anyone have
>language you have used to communicate this to your campus?
>
>==
>David Greenfield, Dir of Student Technology           [log in to unmask]
>Illinois State University, Bone Stud Center Rm 206        309/438-8334
>Normal, IL  61790-6360                                fax 309/438-8413
>
>
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Mike Stark    U.C. San Diego, Academic Computing Services
Manager, Microsupport & Software Distribution
Voice (858) 534-4060   Fax (858) 534-7018     AP&M 1220
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