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Re: SAS things

From:

Marg Knox <[log in to unmask]>

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The EDUCAUSE Software Licensing Issues Constituent Group Listserv <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Wed, 31 May 2006 09:59:37 -0500

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GOOD news. In further discussions with SAS, SAS confirmed that they do
NOT count cores, only processors. WHEW!

But they indicated no plans to provide a form of concurrent licensing...
(the bad news)

Regards, Marg
____________________________________________

Margaret H. Knox       [log in to unmask]                        
Director                      (512) 475-9224     
The University of Texas 
ITS- Collaboration & Academic Resources
OTIS - System wide Strategies
FAC 248 I (at Austin)78712
CTJ 2.220 (System Admin.)78701 

-----Original Message-----
From: Marg Knox [mailto:[log in to unmask]] 
Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 4:33 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [LICENSING] SAS things

I have word from SAS that they count dual core as TWO processors
(extrapolate for multicore).

Oh dear. I don't think faculty will KNOW how many cores their processors
have...

Regards, Marg

____________________________________________

Margaret H. Knox       [log in to unmask]                        
Director                      (512) 475-9224     
The University of Texas 
ITS- Collaboration & Academic Resources
OTIS - System wide Strategies
FAC 248 I (at Austin)78712
CTJ 2.220 (System Admin.)78701 

-----Original Message-----
From: Muenchen, Robert Anthony (Bob) [mailto:[log in to unmask]] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 2:26 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [LICENSING] SAS things

We charge only faculty and staff for Citrix access. That's because
Microsoft charges us $34 for the Client Access Licenses. A server CAL
and a terminal server CAL, I think. Students, being non-employees, are
all covered by an External Connector. That was about $2K if memory
serves. 

Offhand I don't know how SAS views multiple cores in their new CPU-based
pricing. I just reported to them those details & they came up with a
price. They use an algorithm based on number of students, number of
products you license and (for servers) number of CPUs but they view the
exact nature of that algorithm as proprietary!

Bob

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  Bob Muenchen (pronounced Min'-chen), Manager  
  Statistical Consulting Center
  U of TN Office of Information Technology
  200 Stokely Management Center, Knoxville, TN 37996-0520
  Voice: (865) 974-5230  
  FAX:   (865) 974-4810
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  Web:   http://oit.utk.edu/scc, 
  News:  http://listserv.utk.edu/archives/statnews.html
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Marg Knox [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 11:59 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [LICENSING] SAS things
> 
> Bob (and all on the list)
> 
> Thank you. And with your info and some from SAS, your comments on
> concurrency seem to be the policy! I think that is TERRIBLE news and
> perhaps your approach is the one that makes the most sense in coping
> with this non friendly (in my estimation) approach. Do you charge for
> use of your Citrix server? I realize that local culture dictates that
> kind of thing but our labs for our students are run at no extra cost
to
> them (fees fund back behind the scenes) and our Terminal Server runs
> with a cost attached to it.
> 
> Also on the CPU approach with SAS, has anyone had issues with
multicore
> CPU licensing? I prefer Microsoft's approach which acknowledges that
> multi-core is more similar to a faster CPU than it is to a multi-cpu.
> (Versus Oracle approach which says it is a multiple CPU)
> 
> Regards, Marg
> 
> ____________________________________________
> 
> Margaret H. Knox       [log in to unmask]
> Director                      (512) 475-9224
> The University of Texas
> ITS- Collaboration & Academic Resources
> OTIS - System wide Strategies
> FAC 248 I (at Austin)78712
> CTJ 2.220 (System Admin.)78701
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Muenchen, Robert Anthony (Bob) [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 6:34 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [LICENSING] SAS things
> 
> The new SAS contract we just signed dropped unlimited copies, so we
have
> removed it from all but one training lab. To the best of my knowledge,
> SAS Institute has always counted each PC that is able to run SAS, not
> concurrent users. We're putting it on our Citrix server instead.
Server
> licensing is now based on number of CPUs. Students can also get it on
> their PCs. Our rep says that most universities really like their new
> approach & we are one of the few that are slammed by it. We'll be
> working hard over the coming year to remove it from as many servers as
> possible.
> 
> Bob
> =========================================================
>   Bob Muenchen (pronounced Min'-chen), Manager
>   Statistical Consulting Center
>   U of TN Office of Information Technology
>   200 Stokely Management Center, Knoxville, TN 37996-0520
>   Voice: (865) 974-5230
>   FAX:   (865) 974-4810
>   Email: [log in to unmask]
>   Web:   http://oit.utk.edu/scc,
>   News:  http://listserv.utk.edu/archives/statnews.html
> =========================================================
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brian Goodman [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 10:05 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [LICENSING] SAS things
> 
> Please add development for the McIntosh X platform
> On 17-May-06, at 5:34 PM, Marg Knox wrote:
> 
> > (I hope this is not a repeat... our mail server had a glitch!)
> >
> >
> >
> > We are discussing how we will handle various things wrt to (for us)
> > upcoming SAS program,... any insight others can offer is most
welcome!
> >
> >
> >
> > administrative vs learning/research use differences.
> > --Are you offering both versions (where applicable)?
> > -Do you have purchasers sign something indicating they are clueful
> > that the academic version is restricted in its uses
> > -Do you assume that student labs are academic or??
> > What do you do about terminal served copies (order admin only, ask
> > person before each use, restrict access base don a sign up
> > procedure???
> > Are you using the PC copies in student labs and something like Key
> > server to serve them out for concurrent use (e.g., 25 copies in a
> > hundred seat lab; limit access to 25 concurrent users)
> >
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> >
> >
> > ____________________________________________
> >
> > Margaret H. Knox       [log in to unmask]
> > Director                      (512) 475-9224
> > The University of Texas
> > ITS- Collaboration & Academic Resources
> > OTIS - System wide Strategies
> > FAC 248 I (at Austin)78712
> > CTJ 2.220 (System Admin.)78701
> >
> >
> >
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