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Re: IdM systems and Banner

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"Subhasish Mitra (CampusEAI Consortium)" <[log in to unmask]>

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Hi Brendan,

Just to step in to your questions put to Paul on their setup with Sun Identity Manager against Banner, below are my comments/thoughts -

1). Banner has its own password vault i.e Banner user/password to login to WebCT or Luminus, so the password could definitely be pulled in to SIM;
Even though Banner might be configured against a Centralized Authentication Repository (AD or LDAP), either university should encourage users to use Banner for Password Self Service which by default would be synced to AD, LDAP etc via SIM. Apparently my observation is not likely with this case.

2). SIM's enables Password Policy features for all the targeted resources (AD, LDAP, DB table etc) also SIM has Password Sync plug-in which works with JMS listener to handle any password changes from AD to SIM and hence forward (Banner, LDAP, etc). I strongly recommend universities to use SIM's Password Self feature for all the targeted resources configured with SIM as it gives the common platform to change/reset user's password and also real introduces single password for all the different systems (Banner, AD, LDAP, etc).

For the point (1), even though Banner is SIM's SOR, still it could be updated with user password using SIM as in most likely case Banner gets updated with person's email address once created successfully in Exchange (or any email systems).

3). Authentication v/s Authorization - Once universities achieve SIM to be their password self service tool in addition to central identity vault, I would treat Identity Management being laid out strongly and now we can think on Access Management, Sun Access Manager could be implemented for real Authentication/Authorization where universities gets the flexibility of Authenticating the user from their Centralized LDAP Repository and based on different policy they can handle authorization based on user's membership/role which would again be leveraged from the Centralized LDAP.

Mostly likely before Access Manager implementation, the individual applications login module needs to be modified for authenticating against their Central LDAP and then certainly at this phase the Applications will have the ownership on Authorizing the User. Once Access Manager is implemented, it would then take the ownership of Authentication and Authorization.


R/
Subhasish Mitra
Enterprise Identity Management Specialist
CampusEAI Consortium



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Paul,

Is this a simple record to record provisioning going on in near real-
time? Since Banner doesn't have your enterprise passwords (or does
it?) and Exchange requires passwords, then you must be handling AD
passwords in some other way.  If you are storing passwords in LDAP for
authentication then you must be setting passwords there in some way as
well.

Do you have any groups in LDAP or AD? How are they provisioned? If not
then how are you doing authorization for applications using LDAP and
AD? Or are you just using authentication and allowing authorization
decisions to be made at the applications? And if so, then how do the
application administrators know to set up authorization privileges?

Certainly all of this does not take place in real time. Or does it?

Regards,

Brendan Bellina
Identity Services Architect
University of Southern California

On Apr 29, 2009, at 8:34 PM, Paul Hilchey wrote:

> At the University of Victoria, we went live with our Sun Identity
> Manager deployment just over one year ago.  We are managing
> approximately 160,000 people with it.
>
> Banner is the main source of identity information for faculty,
> staff, and students.  Our solution uses a custom database view on
> Banner and we are able to get updates in near real-time (< 1 minute).
>
> The systems we provision are LDAP, Active Directory, Exchange, and
> Luminis Portal.
>
> Paul Hilchey
> Unix Services Team, University Systems
> University of Victoria
> 250-721-8785
>
>
> Robert Landsparger wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> We are in the evaluation/selection phase of our IdM project and we
>> are looking for thoughts from schools that have implemented either
>> Sun's, Oracle's or IBM's solution against Banner.  Our intention is
>> to replace several home grown systems with this new product to
>> integrate with Banner (HR, Financial, and Student) as a primary
>> source and provision out to LDAP, AD and NIS.  Any insights would
>> be appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> rel
>>
>> --
>> --
>> Robert Landsparger
>> Senior IT Architect
>> Information Technology Services and Security
>> Michigan Technological University
>> Houghton, MI 49931
>> [log in to unmask]


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"><div>Paul,</div><div><br></div>Is this a simple record to record =
provisioning going on in near real-time? Since Banner doesn't have your =
enterprise passwords (or does it?) and Exchange requires passwords, then =
you must be handling AD passwords in some other way. &nbsp;If you are =
storing passwords in LDAP for authentication then you must be setting =
passwords there in some way as well.<div><br></div><div>Do you have any =
groups in LDAP or AD? How are they provisioned? If not then how are you =
doing authorization for applications using LDAP and AD? Or are you just =
using authentication and allowing authorization decisions to be made at =
the applications? And if so, then how do the application administrators =
know to set up authorization =
privileges?</div><div><br></div><div>Certainly all of this does not take =
place in real time. Or does =
it?</div><div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div><br></div><div>Brendan =
Bellina</div><div>Identity Services Architect</div><div>University of =
Southern California</div><div><br><div><div>On Apr 29, 2009, at 8:34 PM, =
Paul Hilchey wrote:</div><br =
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text=3D"#000000">At the University of Victoria, we went live with our =
Sun Identity Manager deployment just over one year ago.&nbsp; We are =
managing approximately 160,000 people with it.<br><br>Banner is the main =
source of identity information for faculty, staff, and students.&nbsp; =
Our solution uses a custom database view on Banner and we are able to =
get updates in near real-time (&lt; 1 minute).&nbsp;<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br><br>The systems we =
provision are LDAP, Active Directory, Exchange, and Luminis =
Portal.<br><br><pre class=3D"moz-signature" cols=3D"72">Paul Hilchey
Unix Services Team, University Systems
University of Victoria
250-721-8785
</pre><br><br>Robert Landsparger wrote:<blockquote =
cite=3D"mid:[log in to unmask]"=
 type=3D"cite"><div style=3D"font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: =
12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); ">Hello,<div><br></div><div>We are in the =
evaluation/selection phase of our IdM project and we are looking for =
thoughts from schools that have implemented either Sun's, Oracle's or =
IBM's solution against Banner. &nbsp;Our intention is to replace several =
home grown systems with this new product to integrate with Banner (HR, =
Financial, and Student) as a primary source and provision out to LDAP, =
AD and NIS. &nbsp;Any insights would be =
appreciated.<br><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>rel</div><div><br>--<span=
 class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br>--<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br>Robert =
Landsparger<br></div><div>Senior IT Architect</div><div>Information =
Technology Services and Security</div><div>Michigan Technological =
University</div><div>Houghton, MI 49931</div><div><a =
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